Facing the Fault Lines: Billy

After a long hiatus with the project, I have finally picked up ‘Facing the Fault Lines’ once again. To learn more about the focus of this project, read this entry here

Billy is someone that I’d been wanting to spend more time getting to know and who I felt would have some wonderful insights to share in regards to the topic of lessons learned through hard experiences. I was incredibly grateful to Billy for taking some time to share how this past year has affected his life and what he has been learning from a tumultuous experience. Just over a year ago, Billy got into a serious accident that came very close to taking his life. He has spent his time since then learning how to live with Traumatic Brain Injury and the plethora of challenges that it presents. In addition to navigating such a difficult recovery, he has also used this experience as an opportunity to focus his life in a new direction and has spent the past year growing a passion and knowledge of planting with his strong start-up business  2nd Chance Nursery. We got together to talk in a small cabin that he had built on his family’s property.

_mg_0956bwM: So, [I’d imagine] the physical experience of getting in an accident of that severity and suffering the result of that to the degree that you did brought up a lot of changes. But I guess I am curious in your own words what the whole experience was like for you…from the reaction of dealing with it and then over time as that unfolded, and realizing how you kind of had to shift – essentially – how you related to yourself and everything else.

B: Relating to myself, that’s kind of a new one. Cause I’m still figuring out who I am. Cause Im still kinda changing. All of last year from my accident on was like, basically gone. I know that I was in the hospital cause I’ve seen pictures and remember about 20 minutes out of three weeks, but other than that, I don’t remember last year at all. so I was just like…everything has been new to me. Memory is kind of a big one too. I go off on tangents now. I kind of…just correct me if I stray from where you’re directed towards…cause I do that quite often now.

M: Well, thats the nice thing about these conversations is you know, basically it covers so much about the essence of what we all want to learn about ourselves as humans. So it’s pretty broad territory. It’s hard to stray from it I guess, is what Ive experienced.

B: Yeah, like it just flows.

M: I want to keep it open. Because there isn’t any handbook for these experiences. Like, I try to imagine myself in that position of dealing with something that…cause you have the physical pain, I’m sure —-

B: Yeah, oh yea. Broken bones. Like, my back and my neck were broke. And I have titanium implants and screws all along [my head] and I fractured my skull. And I had a nice burn…but got that covered up with my tattoo (He shows me the tribal raven on his arm)

It’s NW Indian…and its the raven. If you look up the raven’s meaning, basically he’s a messenger or a carrier, basically from the afterlife to the present life.

M: So there’s that immediate physical pain, and then the memory and the confusion, and the philosophical, wrapping your head around what this means for you.

B: And sobriety. Not drinking. Cause I don’t drink anymore. I haven’t drank since the day of the accident. So, learning to live sober for one. Learning to live with TBI which also includes PTSD, stress, anxiety, depression…just this whole slew of other onslaughts…and then also the broken bones….so theres three or four things I’m learning to live with and I have no clue how to do it.

M: What has been the biggest tool for you in moving from…reacting to all those changes with anger and desperation, or any of the reactionary kind of human stuff that would come up in that…to being able to utilize it and turn it around to benefit and learn from it?

B: Long walks in the woods. Is just all that I could really think. Letting your mind go and letting it go somewhere else. I mean, before I got put on house arrest, there was times I’d go out here at night and walk between here and the bridge and I’d get lost. I’d just walk in circles. One time I was literally…I was lost. I knew where I was at, but I was lost. and I know I went in there…not really pissed off but not really sure…I don’t know, it’s been so long ago now but yea, it was a good time…good experience.

M: Do you feel like the walking kind of lets you remove yourself from the immediacy of your ego, like dealing with you and get to something bigger?

B: Yea, cause I go out there and I just walk around and take pictures out in the woods. I’ve got 2500 pictures on my pone that I’ve just taken since…not even 6 months. Im a big big picture-taker now. You’ve probably noticed, with all the pictures I put up [on Facebook].

M: And all of those pictures are of your plants. Was that a hobby that you’d ever had and inkling about before all of this?

b: Growing weed, that’s about it. And then about this time last year, my mom brought up the idea of a green house. I just went wild since then. in three weeks tomorrow, I get my ankle bracelet off and there’s a lady that has a greenhouse…I’m gonna go over and talk to her about re-vamping that and a whole bunch of stuff. And here, I’m gonna do one or two more green houses, some artificial lights, and I’m gonna go hog-wild with growing plants…for early starts and everything else. Sun is so low. Summer is fine but in Fall/winter, it’s so low in the sky there is no sun at all so just supplement with artificial light.

M: What is it like, the process of learning a skill and a hobby like that and dealing with an injury. Do they conflict?

B: yeah, they kind of coincide, I think that’s the proper word for that..I use words that I didn’t know that I knew. they kind of went hand in hand because it was a connection to nature and a way to escape from reality. So it’s actually kinda easy…I get asked so many times how I do it and I say I don’t know. I put it in what it says to put it in and I give it sun. and it grows. Everything that I’ve got. I’ve got some of the most difficult plants to grow and I’m excelling with them, even beyond what I’m told I can get away with I think.

M: You just said something interesting there, when you said that it coincides and that you use words that you didn’t know you knew. Sort of like with plants and finding success with them so naturally…I find those things interesting. We are so attached to something we feel we have control over. Like, most people would say they feel they have a certain degree of control on how they operate their mind and to an extent, that’s an illusion. And at the same time that kind of blocks you into such a narrow-minded sense of thinking. I guess for myself, I’m affected a lot by stress and anxiety and overwhelmedness, and when I am wrapped up in that, I feel that my capacity for learning and accessing that creativity shuts down.

B: Oh, totally shuts down. If I become overwhelmed by anything, just people asking too many questions. I just shut down. I totally block everyone out and I don’t know where I go…sometimes its not a good place that I go, and I don’t want to go there…but I can’t help it…

M: And so it’s interesting, now that you don’t have that same operative tools that people are using mentally, you’re actually accessing things differently.

B: I’m thinking for myself now. I’m not conforming to the way everyone else wants me to be. I was used a lot before my accident. Looking back on it and what I did…who I did things for…and who has actually come around now, I was straight up used. Cause not one of them wants to help me out now. And I would bend over backwards for them then. But I was also drinking. I was the one that had alcohol and weed…whatever they wanted.

M: So how did you go about reforming your connections and relationships with people, especially in a small town like Packwood? Obviously, you’re surrounded by the people that you drank with, the people that you feel you didn’t actually have a good connection with beyond that. But then it seems like with the plant-growing and just being in the space you are now, you’ve been able to develop a completely new community and new circle of friends that’s more supportive. How did you start to approach that or how has this changed how you learn to relate to people?

B: I don’t really know. I never really had to think about it at all. It was everyone else showing me that they didn’t want me around. Thats the way I looked at it. When I first got out of the hospital and stuff, I went to the Blue Spruce (the local bar) and everyone was so excited to see me and what I was doing…but I’d say, if you’re so excited come over and see what I’m doing. You’re so close. They couldn’t take the time for 5 minutes. Just come over, smoke a cigarette and leave. That’s all I’m asking. Nobody can even do that unless they need something from me. So basically I never had to push anyone away. They pushed me away, I feel. So it’s kind of easy. You’re one of the very few that I did talk to before that has come around. I didn’t not expect it from you…but its just kind of..i didn’t expect it cause I’m so used to people saying ‘oh yeah, I’ll come over’ and then two weeks later they still haven’t called to let you know they’re not gonna make it.

M: Yeah, hen you have defense mechanisms in place like drinking and all that crazy social atmosphere and the superficiality of it…it just stays superficial. But when you strip all of that way, people actually gravitate towards whats real and what’s vulnerable…and that’s kind of why I like talking to people about these things too…is because all of the people that I’ve talked to so far have surprised me in some way. Like, I knew they’ve struggled but it’s not until people start talking and they feel comfortable that you realize how relatable the depth of your struggle is. Here I am feeling like what I’m going through is the worst but then you start talking to people and they’re right on the same level as you on some other trip. I think thats why it builds such a larger supportive circle of friends…the ones that gravitate towards you now because it’s real and it relates on the level that people really want to relate on.

B: Yeah, that’s basically it. If you look around now, it’s my girlfriend and Greg from the bar. After I get off house arrest, him and I are gonna go cut firewood.

M: Yeah, I didn’t realize that you were on house arrest. So that recently happened. After you’d been doing all of the kind of growth for a while now then you went to court…did it feel like kind of a slap in the face to have been dealing with all of this and have been growing and then have the punishment come?

B:Yeah. Almost a year to a day before everything was over. It was six months before I got the court order in the mail. I mean I didn’t care…I didn’t go anywhere before…just kind of sucks cause now I have to stay here.

M: Like before, you said you could do your walks and stuff.

B: now it’s like if things in my home life are irritating me or something, I can’t just go off on a walk…But now I’ve got this (referring to the cabin that he built near the house). I can come here. Cause I was in a tent in the back yard all summer.

M: Yea, I was a little Jealous. Would you say that…do you feel a real sense of contentment with where you’re at right now?

B: I’m happy with where I’m at. not 100% but like 95%. Theres a few little different things that I’d like to see change here shortly.

M: With change, do you feel this has brought you to a more patient place with just how you accept changes in life in general? I don’t know what your experience was with patience or impatience was beforehand….do you feel like you’ve become more patient?

B: I think I was more patient before. The only reason I say that is because I was constantly drunk 24/7 365 and I just didn’t care. yea yea go for it. I’m very plan-based, like almost down to a time. It sucks that I have to be that way cause I don’t want to be that way…

M: Its hard to approach the ways that we want to be or don’t want to be when they are so ingrained.

B: My ways…I didn’t want to change them, they were kind of forcefully changed [by the accident] so…

M: Does it feel like it has integrated to actually be more like who you are?

B: It’s starting to feel more natural. I was always a quick thinker, back when I was in high school. Cause I never drank at all..until I was…23 when I started drinking. before then, I never did anything. I was a good boy. I was a square. the quickness of my thoughts and how fast i think even though I’ve been through so much, I’m still a quick thinker. like comebacks. I can come up with comebacks…a pin can’t drop fast enough. everything is so different even though its the same.

M: and you said even before all of this you had leanings more towards like buddhist philosophy even if you didn’t realize that was it…

B: Cause that was the closest…I wasn’t a Christian. The bible was a nice story book but it wasn’t something that truly made life….they’re just stories to make you feel better about yourself. Feel-good stories. I just didn’t see that. you just went up and lived to make yourself happy. I’m kind of going through that right now with my girlfriend. she’s having a hard time with that cause she’s so willing to just at a moment’s notice, go help anyone. Yes, I understand you can do that but there are some people you’re helping that aren’t going to be helping you or haven’t yet. And she’s slowly weeding them out.

She’s gonna be taking up nursing school, another person I’ve kind of helped influence.

M: To nursing?

B: well, its something that she wanted to do but after seeing what I’d been through and everything, it helped her re-realize and pursue it. Theres actually a lot of people that I’ve touched with how I’ve changed my life around. With a lot of people it’s not big things, just little things. That’s what I want to do. I feel I am like a messenger or something. I’m here for another reason cause if I was supposed to not be here ever again, why am I still here?

M: yeah its gotta be really rewarding to have gone through everything you’ve gone through and then get the feedback that it’s actually contributing to something beyond yourself and your day to day struggle with it. Its actually helping others in their own stuff and motivating them.

Have you thought ahead, with what you want to do with your plant stuff?

B: Well, I’ve got a business plan sort of set up…2nd Chance Nursery. in my mind I’ve got a business plan already for what I want to do down the road.

M: So how did you choose the exotic plant? A lot of them are exotic right?

b: cause everyone can grow a petunia! I do have a lot of exotic plants but a lot of carnivorous plants. They’re easy to grow.

M: Does it feel like kind of having pets with more personality?

b: I don’ t know what it is about them. They’re unusual i think….there’s other things Im gonna do too…Rhumiliads…jungle plants. water pools and frogs sit in them, and they live in trees. I’ve got almost..over a dozen and I started with 7….

M: do you get all these from international nurseries?

B: I’ve got some from international borders

M: How might you summarize how this whole experience has – despite all the hard aspects of it – brought a gift into your life…

B: I’ve been forced into being taught patience….always a new day….just when you get complacent in your life, somethings gonna throw it out of whack so try not to get complacent in anything. I kind of do need a schedule and routine.

Every day’s a new day.

Facing the Fault Lines: Randi

The first time I saw Randi, I quietly observed the exchange between her and my co-worker. By the glisten in her eyes and the boisterous laughs that they exchanged, I could tell they had known one another a while. I could also tell that Randi was not someone that I would get to know through small talk. She exuded a presence that did not concern itself with conventions or trivial banter, and would protect herself against inauthentic exchanges with a vengeance. 

It was not until a year after moving to Packwood that I had the opportunity to meet her outside of work at a mutual friend’s house. By then, I’d of course settled into my place within the community and was able to embody my self with complete ease and comfort. It didn’t take long for us to get into a beautiful and intimate talk about our biggest challenges and I was immediately captivated by her story. 

Most literally and figuratively a force of nature, Randi’s journey on this earth is etched into the trails and roads of forests and mountains. Since she was a child, hiking had always been where she found home. At 73, when most her age have resigned themselves to quiet days at home, Randi has not stopped seeking ways out to nature. And she isn’t just combating the test of time. Just before reaching 60, Randi was was hit dead-on by a young driver and the course of her life was altered forever. Yet after being told she would likely never walk again, Randi now shuttles hikers from all over the world to trailheads across the state. 

Randi has since become not only a dear friend, but a personal icon of resilience for me. In all of her humanity, struggle and pain, I have seen a spirit that has never once lost sight of its voice or purpose. I have seen a spirit that continuously shows up, confronts change, and fights for what feeds her heart. Over the years since our first meeting, not one conversation has passed without her praising the natural world that we are surrounded by. And in each of these conversations, she reminds me again and again of how continuously and intentionally we have to strive to keep sight of appreciation for those things that are most important to us. The world may present us with challenges that appear to strip that away, but she is a reminder that human spirit has the strength to rediscover meaning in the darkest places. 

For our interview, I met Randi at her house, where she took some time to show me a few photographs of her favorite spaces near Packwood. Through her images, Randi conveys some of the messages that she receives by being out in nature. 

Note: While I was able to share a few of her images, I unfortunately do not have copies of all the ones that she describes but have left those parts of the conversation in, as they are potent examples of how she views her surroundings.

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R: This one here is called the Portal to Another Dimension.

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Portal to Another Dimension by Randi Nelsen

M: Did this style of photography start after you’d had the accident? 

R: No, I have been a photographer taking pictures since I was a kid. I asked for my first camera…it was a little brownie box and I got it when I was about 7 years old.

But these pictures, the most meaningful pictures of mine, have been taken since the wreck.

This here is called Through the eye of a Universal God. The head of a Dolphin sharing the face of a man. That day that I stood taking these pictures, I was watching people look at this beautiful rock and not seeing what I was seeing…or they would’ve said “AH! LOOK AT THAT FACE!”

This here is a place I called The Altar. The sun hit that rock just right…That picture hangs in my best friends office – she’s a therapist – and she finally had to put it up in her meditation room because people were meditating on that picture. Now, do you know how good that makes me feel to hear something like that?

M: Cause you know you’re finding something that speaks to more than just you

R: That’s the thing. Its not always just about us.

M: So, you find all of these spiritual messages in nature…when your accident happened, do you feel like at first, very immediately after the accident…do you feel like you clung to finding that more, or did you get deterred from that for a while

R: It did [deter me] because I was always up here photographing. I was on my way to a hike to Schriner’s peak that day. In the park, I was coming down to meet two women from MI. They gave me a lot of money to take them on Mt. Rainier

M: And I remember you told me earlier that you had been getting messages in your mind, not to go. 

R: I did. That morning, I woke up and this trip had been planned for weeks with these people, these two women that knew me from my railroad days. They had met me when I went to school to become an engineer. We’d stayed in touch through the years.

I woke up that morning and I’m not kidding you. I wont forget it. A voice said ‘Don’t go’. I thought: ‘What?! No one’s ever heard of you backing out of a hike. What’re you gonna say? I’ve got this feeling? There’s a voice telling me not to go?’

Randi smiled an accepting, matter-of-fact smile that said ‘yes, that’s exactly what I should have done.

R: Instead, I thought: ‘Oh, everybody has these feelings. You never know what it’s gonna be…’ I was rationalizing. Then, finally it was too late for me to call [it off]. I thought: ‘Everybody, this comes along you know, changes in our life, they could be smackers…what’re you gonna do?’ And that was kind of my attitude.

I was walkin’ out the door, and I thought: ‘check the runes’. So, I grabbed my bag of runes that always travels with me – its always around me – and I reached in, and I pulled the rune of Disruption. And what that rune says is that the disruption in your life could be something major or it could be something simple like a divorce that you’re goin’ through…or the change could be so much that it would change. Your life. Forever. And I felt a chill. I’m talking the hairs stood up on the top of my head. And I thought: ‘well it’s too late now, you’ve gotta go.’

I was coming down the Canyon…and still that fear…and I was standing out in the canyon with my dog Abby ready to start in, and I couldn’t get rid of that feeling…until that car came around the curb and all that went through my mind was ‘oh my god’.

Her face speaks in a knowing as a small smile forms. Not one of joy, but just a knowing.

R: Apparently I had to walk that road. Or I wouldn’t have had that feeling inside me.

M: Do you notice your intuition differently now? 

R: I always did. One time years ago when I was a young woman, I had a ’65 Mustang. It was in the late 60’s and I was headed for Arizona on a vacation. I had spent the night at a motel and I was driving at night cause it was so damn hot. Back then, we didn’t have air conditioning in cars. It was hot so i was drivin’ at night and staying in the motels during the day and sleeping. And that night I took off onto San Bernadino, I felt a Tremor outside of Palm Springs.

Okay…all I needed was a strong warning. I turned around and went back to the motel. Checked back in. He was confused…I just told him I felt I should spend the night here.

The next morning on the front page of the news and all over the radio, they are saying that the night before, a man came down highway 10 and was firing that gun into the driver’s side windows at oncoming traffic and he killed three people. And they caught him when he crossed the border.

M: Wow. 

R: Things like that, and then the earthquake. That was another Bizarre thing. Years ago. I’d been driving, and god I was tired. It was about 3 o’clock in the morning. I pull into this campground, and there’s not a soul around. Not a soul. So, I lay down in my van, me and my dog. The next thing I know, goddamn earth shakes. I’m looking and there’s not a soul around. Quiet. The dog gets in and I say ‘c’mon, we’re getting outta here, something’s weird.’ I get back on I-10 and I’m looking over at the palm trees bending over hitting the ground and coming back up, and I think I’ve gone crazy! I thought: ’What the hell?!’ not realizing my van was doing that, going down the road too.

I drove out to my friend’s house in Pheonix and they come runnin’ out their door saying ‘OH MY GOD, WE’RE GLAD TO SEE YOU! We thought you were in it!” 

I said ‘In what?’ and they replied: ‘That earthquake in Los Angeles.” My mouth dropped, I looked at them and said “THATS WHAT HAPPENED TO ME?! I WAS IN IT! OH SHIT!” I took on out there I went up to Jay – he was my therapist – he was doin’ this high energy therapy work with me – and I go down there and I mean, it was expensive work and I’d go to him for teachings cause I mean, I was a therapist too, doing that. Wanted to know more about holistic health. He says ‘I think you better come in and take a look at the TV’. I’m standing  there and I’m watching what I have gone through and I’m going ‘oh my god’.

Those kinds of experiences….

M: So, I know that after your accident there was quite a long road to healing and regaining your memory back…

R:Well I never did regain it. I have no short-term memory. The other thing that I deal with every day and people don’t realize [is] I’ve got horrible post-traumatic stress syndrome.Because of the brain injury. The seriousness of it. I have ADHD because of it.

Her face hardens, as the daily grapple with the reality sets in. 

R: Because it did a number on me, and to deal with that on a daily basis drives me up the wall sometimes. People don’t realize that. I walk around with a smile….because it keeps my mind off it.

M: What I’m impressed with…I mean, lots of things…but…the fact that, through the healing and the recovery, I mean, there was a period of time you very much were not yourself

R: Oh no. Uh-uh

M: And what you’ve come to though, is not only having the memory of your intuitive experiences like the earthquake…but also coming back to how that created your identity and your spiritual strength of  knowing that …you’ve been able to come back to that, even after your accident. 

Randi nods in agreement

M: What was that like to find that again?

R: It still is tough. Sometimes, I think. Because of the problems I deal with daily, of trying to keep me together and stop this mind from reacting to things that it doesn’t have to. It’s taken a lot to try to get in touch with how that has affected my life. except now. But the first year…I was taken from my home. I couldn’t cook. Cause I was an airhead. I couldn’t remember anything. and i said I couldn’t. It was the realization in the beginning when these people took me to their home in this cabin on the river, it was like somebody…and I had said, I kept mumbling “you have got to get me out of town. I am NOT gonna heal from this if you keep me here. I can’t. You’ve gotta take me into the woods, I gotta get out of here. I’ve gotta get out of the city.” I knew that, because I knew that I was not gonna be healed. I couldn’t stand the noise, I still can’t. There’s too much going on, I’m done. But there’s really nothing going on. It’s just that I’m not dealing with it [in my head]. But there, it would scare the hell out of me. they didn’t realize at first, that when I couldn’t make that basket…I pick up this basketball and hold it in my hands and I’d sit there crying.

I sat there on that riverbank at that cabin for over a year. And the first several months…I love to chop wood…. and I couldn’t even lift the hachet to chop wood. There was absolutely no strength.

The doctors told them to take me out in public, so they take me to a shopping center. And me, my eyes get about THAT big (gesture) and I says “You can’t get me into a goddamn shopping mall before the wreck, what make you think you’re gonna get me into one now?! It’s not going to happen.” And they didn’t, I would not go…I couldn’t stand it and I’m still the same way. That has not left me at all. Going to concerts, anything. Loud noises…cause this whole [left] side of my face, clear down, I’ve lost 70% …over 30% that came out on the test…what’s going on with me…its not from my heart, my lungs is clear, if you can believe a cigarette smoker from the time she could sneak ‘em outta daddy’s lunchbox has got healthy lungs, healthy heart, and then they did the nerve conduction study and…my whole right side…was atrophied. And you can see it (shows me her leg) This leg, it’s smaller than this one. I never gained my strength back. I can go out here and chop a couple pieces of wood, and that’s it. And it’s only gotten worse. It seems like I was able to come back but…even though my motercycle riding had nothing to do with it…because of my brain, I at least know better than to go buy one and get one. Ya’ know. That was it, what it took away from me…those two things. I’d pray to god “don’t take those things. Take all you want, as long as I can walk and ride my motorcycle.

In the beginning, the doctors would say: “where do you wanna be in a year from now?”

I’d say “schriner’s peak” . When I was comin’ out of it, starting to make sense, then the doctor would say “where do you wanna be in a year?”

“Schriner’s peak”

He says to me, he says: “Randi, when they brought you in, you kept moaning ‘Schriner’s Peak’

‘That’s where I was on my way to”

He said ‘well what is it?’ I said “it’s a peak” of course I couldn’t even talk, my vocal chords were so damaged.

“why do you love that peak so much? “ and I says “cause she’s a bitch!” and he says okay.

You gain 1,040 feet for every mile in elevation you hike. She’s a bitch. And she’s my bitch.

That sense of humor. that was another thing that never left. I always had a comment to make. And I still do that today. Well you know, I got this brain thing. Be Patient. But then you know, they told me back then to tell people what happened and that I had a brain injury. So, you know, you gotta be aware of that. But people who’ve never been through it have no idea what that does to anybody. And all the years of medicine and blood services and things that I’d seen, I never thought that it would happen to me. Or, I didn’t think that it wouldn’t happen to me, cause people things do happen to people. I  didn’t understand, and I was a very understanding and compassionate person dealing with injured people at the senior center. And yet, did I really? I didn’t really understand because I didn’t understand what that put them through because it happened to me. And here, I got it. That changes people’s lives forever. and nothing’s ever the same again.

M: well, that’s a big lesson if you ever have one. 

R: I used to take a trip six weeks out of the year just to go play in the 11 western states on my motorcycle. I can’t do it anymore. I’ve flown once to Hawaii since the wreck.

I used to jump, hike…now I have to pick the ones that I can get to on the road.

Stuff like that. but I’m not unhappy with what I’ve been through. Not unhappy at all. And I used to say…one of the things I wish to say, is how luck I am. I wasn’t. They said “I’m lucky I lived through it.” No, I’m not lucky I lived through it. I wanted to die. I didn’t think I would live through it. And I one time, stood on that river bank where I was being cared for and I’d sit out there around the campfire all the time and just watch the ducks go up and down the river. I knew when the ducks were coming up, I knew when they were coming back down. I’d watch a Bald-headed eagle go to the next and there was this Blue Heron and you know Blue Heron they look at you it’s kind of like you’re looking into the eyes of the world. theres something about them and this blue heron would come in every morning and they would tell me to stay off the river bank. Don’t go down to the creek. It was canyon creek. But to me it was a river – a lot like the Cowlitz – it was big. And Id sit there and I’d look down there on the bank and think about how much fun I could have down there on those rocks and I’d try to see that blue heron. I knew it was landing. I couldn’t see it but I knew she was landing. So down the river bank I go. Make it down there, get over in the water, crawl up on this rock that would fit my dog and I, and there’s that blue heron. And that blue heron puffed herself up to full and she turned around and she looked me square in the eye and I could not move. I could only just sit there and let her pin me with that look. Just like I was staring into eternity. and all of a sudden she spread those wings and flew (elaborate emulation of the heron, her face releases 31:39) Here comes this rainstorm. And I’m in one of my spaces. And I’m standing out there on this river bank, rain is pouring down just in sheets like it was here and I’m standing in it and Im screaming at god and I’m telling him how stupid I think he is and that you want me to entertain thAe god mind. You tell me why I should do that?! Why didn’t you just let me die (32:18) I don’t. I cant do this. And Ive never forgotten that day cause in that storm, these ducks was coming down that river and they looked right at me and I feel them laughing and I started busting up at how ridiculous I sounded. And if I told anybody this story about those ducks looking at me in a rainstorm and laughing and how they brought me out of that space I was in of just wanting to die because I look at them laughing and how ridiculous I must sound at 60 years old to be screaming and calling god a jerk…I’ve got more brains than you do! I never did that one again. But the thing of it is, is when I would say “I’m lucky about thinkg that would happen…before that wreck….I’m not lucky. I’m grateful to have done the things I have done because if it hadn’t been for what I was into, the therapies the natural healing and told doctors nothing is broken, get your hands off me, I know how to take care of my body. it was a therapy that they’d never heard of. Cranial-sacral brain. Cause my whole energy had gotten all messed up. Clear through my body. Its a mess. And I knew that and I got this top neurologist…he says “I’m top doc. What do you want?” I says “I want you to write me prescriptions for this therapist, I says “for cranial sacral therapy” . When I left his care over a year later, his ears, nose and throat specialists all looked at me and said “ms Nelsen. You taught us a lot.”  I said “ I would hope so and I thank you for standing up and having the degrees behind your name to write that and make this insurance company pay for every damn bit of it!” cause that’s what it took was having that doctor of mine, top doc: “What do you want me to do?” “write me prescriptions.” cause there was nothing anybody could do about what was happening to my brain. And soon as they done the mir on my brain to make sure it wasn’t bleeding. 48 hours, my brain was in the hands of that therapist. Three times a week. Professional doctors still don’t know, with head injury, you get into cranial sacral work if there’s no bleeding. you don’t mess with it. you don’t just leave it there and do nothing and try to figure shit out. I am so fortunate I had that background.

M: Absolutely.

R: so very fortunate. And thats where I can even be thankful to this family that has nothing to do with me. my daddy had everything to do with me being a therapist. He would bribe me.  I knew a way to get around daddy when I was a little kid and stay out of trouble. Cause all I had to do was sit there and massage my daddy’s feet. (36:28) and you know what. Today, if I’m gonna give you a massage, give me your feet: Cause I’m touching everything and you’ll feel so good when you leave. I do that. Somebody gets hurt? Let me at it. You hurt a joint? Let me at that immediately. I’m not gonna touch it. I’m gonna work around it.

M: You do that extra mile of work with your injury, then you learn your body more intimately.

R: Uh-huh. I was into therapies…stayed in them..and then to retire and have to deal with doctors….that is the hardest thing of me going to doctors, and them not listening to me. because they have a whole different mindset.

I told em, and I’m gonna tell em because they finally found out: Its not my heart. its sending pain up through my arms and into my chest because of what’s going on in here (mind). The impact of that injury…I’ve already had surgery. They had to operate on this leg and immediately cause of the impact. I took 110 mph impact.

you couldn’t even…anybody that walked into that surgery room. I knew that they were there cause the tears were streaming down their face…I could sense the tears when they walked in and saw me. I wish I had pictures.

Boy some of the things they did when I was coming out of it and starting to realize what had happened….you tell me how old I was when I show you what I did…I’m on the living room floor of my home and I’m starting to realize that things are weird. Cause it’s not registering with me that my brain is compromised at that point. Futons. Up the walls. on the floor.  And I was crawling, I was not walking. You had me holding onto chairs, You had to button my shirt. you had to tie my shoes. I was not aware of any of that. We were one day in the kitchen: (39:30) Whats happening to me?! I cant tie my shoelaces?!!” she comes running in the there, she looks at me and here I am, tell me how old I was? She heard the cry of probably a three-year-old. And here I am: (muddled cry) I can’t tie my shoelaces! whats happening to me?!” How old do you think I was? maybe three or four. and I can remember. That was the only thing I can remember is her coming in and getting down on those futons with me and holding my face. and saying “look at me. You’ve got a very serious brain injury.”

“what do I do?” She says “There’s only one thing to do, Randi” “Just tell me what to do!” She says “You’ve got to get better. Give it time.” I said “I don’t know how…” and I did it. And that’s when they put me with these people. They’d put a belt around me, take me to the store. If you walked down the aisle, if you left me standing alone, I’d start crying. I’d just go into a panic cause I didn’t know where I was at and you’re taking me out in public to a store! And you had a belt around me but we walked into the store there in Granite Falls, around a corner to another aisle and left me standing there and I went into a goddamn panic. Stuff like that that just led me into a panic: Where am I? What am I gonna do? First time I came home to Packwood. Of course, those spaces had gotten further apart, and I didn’t panic so much. and I came home for the first time – it was christmas –  it was a year later a week before christmas. And this is when I found out I’d learnt to laugh at me. I’d just bust up at the things I’d put me through and I still do. I’d just start laughing cause I’d do something stupid. (42:23 laughing) I came down here and I got a room up at the mountain view lodge. And Debbie, my best friend who knew that I was coming and I was all excited…it took me six hours to get here from seattle cause I kept getting distracted. Keep it together, you’ll make it. So i got here, and I’m driving right up to high valley 7 to go visit my best friend and of course, I’m driving along you know…its dark…its christmas. And I’m thinking around the next corner I’ll see all those lights on that lead up to debbie’s house. Came around the corner and there wasn’t a light in the road.  I said “ wow. Geez, abby. I guess it’s around the next curb. But the next curb went the wrong way. finally, I just got out of the car and I’m standing there and every star in the sky is showing and it’s just gorgeous. And Abby’s outside the car with me and I’m saying “where in the hell am I?” and I felt this little voice say “packwood!” I start laughing! I busted up and I say “PACKwood?! now this is too funny. Lost in packwood?!” and I get into the car and I says “now abby, around the next bend if I’m where I think I’m at right now…there should be a place where I can turn this car around.” and the voice says “but what if there isn’t a place?” Tough shit, there better be!” Went around the corner and there’s that pull out. I knew where I was. I hadn’t turned onto cannon. I was going down Skate Creek!

M: Minor details!

R: Yea, minor details! I get over there, Debbie says “what took you so long. “ and I said, you are not going to believe this I got lost in Packwood.

(We take some time to look at more photographs) Okay, so see when I showed that “through the universal eye of a god” ? This is the picture I saw first that day.  That Indian. watching over eveything. This here was through the eye of a universal god. I turned around after I saw that light in there and thought: whats in that light? And we got that face. Down here I got a big picture of this. look at this face. The eye. The mouth. This big pool. The pool of redemption. The names that I pick for these photographs, I find very interesting.

Theres the pool of redemption.

M: When you hike around…well, when you take people out these days and see spaces like his and images in the rocks, does it kind of guide your actions and behavior of the moment (yes) or are they more like bigger picture messages?

R: No, whenever I address this issues like talking with you, I get into the spirituality. We all get different messages and mine comes from the earth and nature. It also tells me that there’s real life there. Something happened in that area. heres the prayer of deliverance there’s this guy. There’s his mouth, nose…who is he? But he looks like he’s praying. And here? What’s this here? This little critter with a hat on? And then down here I get this image of being very female, that there’s a woman there. I went back time and time again. And I got him the other day when I was there. He’s still there. There’s a lot more. But here. This one. I just love this one. I pick up that something happened in this place to leave these images behind. and yet that big flood that we had in 2006, that tore up that campground? I think that may have revealed that that was always there because these pictures were taken before that storm

Somebody’s watchin’ over them both. Some animal. Somethin. But this whole area – I can take you over there , you can stand there in that waterfall and see….

Heaven sent a rose [these images] jump out at me. I have to go back and see “ are you still here? Or was that my imagination? Oh! It’s still here!” And that’s what I find amusing, is people don’t notice it.

Abby…she was with me through that wreck. makin’ me walk. She wouldn’t go out with people to pee. She wouldn’t go without me. So they had to help me down 27 stairs to the backyard so that my dog could pee! because she wasn’t gonna go anywhere without her mom!

M: So I think a lot of people think about like the word pride as being like a negative thing. Like people are too prideful. (it’s not) I agree. I feel like pride is a sense of self. and when you found you couldn’t chop wood. (I wouldn’t leave it alone! I would not leave things alone!) Is that because you knew how important it was to re-establish that? (uh-huh

R: I had to and thats it. it’s the same thing with billy owens. The best thing you could’ve done for him was bring him right back home where he’s familiar with things. Best way of dealing with brain-injured people, you got to keep ‘em around whats familiar to em or they will forget. and what was familiar to me…like those people. I mean, how blessed could I get to find a family. These friends of mine that knew a family that would take me up in the woods and watch out for me and bring me back and forth to doctors and everything. They did. they were paid very well by me. they made quite a bit of money. but i didn’t care. It wasn’t about money. It was about being in a safe place on the river bank. Of getting out of that town. My friends know me well enough to know that “youve gotta get her out of town.” They did. people banded together. Those people didn’t know me. They just knew the woman working with me. And mark…I couldn’t eat. and the first time that I knew I was gonna eat…didn’t know if i could eat it all but I was gonna eat…was when the husband – mark was his name…a nd I met him…his wife was there ,and he walked in that door…they had three children. it was just the place for me to be because I was more of a kid and that son of theirs was 9… and I’d watch him on his bicycle and he’d watch me try to shoot baskets. I was always a good basketball player….by the time I left there I was shooting baskets, I was chopping wood…cause I wouldn’t leave it alone. Once I discovered I couldn’t do it, I was like “bull shit! I know how to do that!”

M: And then, where you still haven’t been able to re-establish like full physical pride, you’ve gone to…your creative outlet for that has been to do the hiker’s shuttle. So you exercise that…

R: I stay in it. That’s it. it’s been a life-saving thing. me being home, I love the mountains…so I can’t go on 22-mile hikes…but I can still go enjoy. and thats important. I can still enjoy it. I gained something. And Bill ___. I don’t care for Bill but a couple weeks ago he was at cruiser’s when I went in to watch the ball game. and he said “ you know, I’ve watched you since you came home…cause he met me when I came home. And he says…I’ve watched you and you’ve grown so much. And I says “and this year was the best. Last few years it was growing and this year, I wasn’t just running short little trips up and down the pass. I was running all over the state. 

I do get tired. Like yesterday, I get home and I’ll lay down on my bed after sleeping all night…fell asleep yesterday afternoon about 2 o’clock and i didn’t wake up until last night and then I was back to bed by 9.

M: But then you have such active periods. 

R: But the active periods every day, that I do…I go into town to return a movie. This is how I’m dressed. colder than hell, but I’m just going straight home. But I come out in a storm and now here I gotta look and see what everybody else is doing. and away I go and here I’m standing out there so cold, trying to get these pictures of Leach Lake and that cause it’s so gorgeous and there’s ice all over and when I send em out to my friends…they say “what in the hell were you doing standing out there with no hat and no coat on!” I said “yeah, thats the thing about my brain. It does real crappy things sometimes to me! and I just go for it, cause I just got that mood!” and I says “then I run for the car!” oh geez I gotta get warm. Oh I better go back…oh no! you gotta go to Leech Lake and see what that looks like! Maybe the swans are still there! What are you thinking, going on 73 and being stupid?!….no, I had fun!

M: If you can do it, you can do it!

R: So it goes on and on, you know. Its just crazy.

M: Now I know you and I have gotten into it a little bit about kind of anger being one thing you really really grapple with through all of this. 

R: I do. I do, and that why i just…cause a  lot of it comes from the post traumatic stress. and thats when I am just you know its not uncommon for me to go off and be crazy because of the post traumatic stress syndrome. Because it’s too much stress. now all of a sudden all of this shit comes together convoluted…

M: Do you ever find that you can feel it coming on and warn people…

R: I’m starting to recognize it…over some of the things the last couple months is: You. Pay attention. you know you don’t have attention. You have an attention disorder, but pay attention! Cause you do. Like you said you start to feel it, you get up and walk away and go home. and thats the way I’ve been deling with it. You don’t sit here and let it blow you away. You blow it away. and that little thing just came in. And that’s why I’ve been isolating myself, because I do feel it and I don’t like it. Its uncomfortable, because my brain is scrambled and I can’t stop that. Its …unless somebody has something like that, you can’t understand. And billy is gonna go through it. The best I can do is talk to him.

He said “am I gonna have short term memory. And I said no, you’re not. its gone. and you have to learn to deal with it. You don’t take it inside. It can make you feel crazy. And so I thought “you stop that crazy because of what it does to me and my body. Everything. It’s no fun.

But you’ve got to walk away and let people be their people and say “it has nothing to do with you. And I find that it has not got to do with me. I’ve learned to ignore it and not take it on and let it become this….but I also had a therapist tell me “you’ve got to tell people that you have a brain injury.” They assume they won’t get it…no more than I’ve got it…until it happened to me.

M: So what would you say for yourself then, is the most important thing you tell people? 

Be aware of your own self-growth. (1:02:21) Let people, especially young people know “I now it’s hard you’re going through this…but its not the hardest thing you’ll go through. all these little things we go through, they’re not important because what’s important…its like this one thing my spirit…where I can get into my picture file and show …and it comes out of this humor but its true…about when we’re young and “oh you…and this older person: “hey! You ain’t seen nothing yet that’s laying ahead of you! this is nothin! Its just relationships and all this shit…and its nothing! absolutely. There’s more important things. A lot more important things. You’ve gotta have a good relationship with yourself in order to have one with someone else. And friends. You know, I read a statement many years ago as a kid. You know, you only get out of this life having one friend. we call a lot of people friends, but they’re not your friends. I have people “randi, let us help you. give us a call if you need help. But I make the phone call and “oh, we’re too busy.” So I step back and I realize I’m making the wrong choices, to call them friends.

M: And thats part of the self growth. The self-responsibility. 

R: You know. All this life is about…is changing. And you should be glad for change. Because nothing ever stays the same. and you’ve got to be able to adjust to that, that nothing is ever the same. And one minute you can be happy…in a happy marriage. But I see those falling apart all the time. You know, we always think we have to have somebody of our own to be worthwhile. No we don’t.

Facing the Fault Lines: Anita

During dinner one night on our trip, my mother Anita and I got into a conversation about Facing the Fault Lines project. I had thought about whether or not I’d want to interview her. I felt like I’d already sort of done that in a project years ago when I documented her Breast Cancer Journey. As the conversation off-handedly prompted her to give her own answer, she began by saying that her biggest burden would not be what most would assume; it was not Cancer. 

“Cancer was something external” she said. “It was something I could handle. I feel like our biggest challenges in life are the ones where we get in the way of ourselves.” 

I may be paraphrasing…anyhow, I was glad it had come up and that I wasn’t left assuming I knew. Later on, as we were driving out of the Hoh, the space seemed to lend itself for heart-to-heart and we revisited the conversation:

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A: The story that I would tell isn’t about having breast cancer. so the breast cancer was the challenge but finding a way through it differently than with my mother was the hardest. So when my mother had breast cancer, no body talked about it. and I was 11 years old and my mother was in the hospital and at that time the only kind of surgery they did was radical, very serious surgery. and so she came home and she laid in bed and we had a housekeeper and a nanny taking care of us and no body talked about what was going on. so I had to find out from a neighbor that my mother had breast cancer.

M: Did you know what that was? 

A: I guess I knew what they meant cause I just remember a neighbor coming in and saying ‘was it malignant or benign’ and somehow I knew she was talking about my mother’s breast. And I ran down the street to a neighbor that I liked better and said ‘does my mother have breast cancer?’

That’s actually when my mother and [your] Aunt Nancy made up ‘cause they had not been talking to each other for a couple years. That was the other thing I didn’t want to repeat from my family; I didn’t want to repeat keeping secrets and I I didn’t want to repeat cutting off people cause you didn’t like what they were doing. So when I had my cancer and you were 8 and Jordan was 4, I was determined to talk to you guys about it. I don’t know if you remember Dr. Howard, the surgeon, but I had the most wonderful warm surgeon and he met with you and Jordan and talked about the surgery in kid terms and described what was gonna happen and then we made up a big story about Dr. Howard saving mommy. The time I had that surgery, we were supposed to go to Mammoth caves and we had to cancel the trip so I could have the surgery. So we made up this big story about how Dr. Howard was gonna be the hero so that we could go to Mammoth Caves *laughs* 

That was…I knew that I did not want to repeat those patterns. And same thing with the cut off. Like when you were a teenager, I knew that the most important thing for me to do would be to keep the door open no matter what choices you were making. And same thing with Jordan, although that didn’t present the same challenges.

M: So, not keeping secrets and staying in touch….were those harder than you thought they would be? Like were there moments when you were like ‘oh, I see why this is harder to actually practice…’

A: I think those two things, my heart just naturally leaned towards. The place thats been the hardest…so, the third dysfunction in the family was my mother just kind of blurting things out without thinking. So I think that’s been the hardest thing to change. How do you say things wisely, how do you know when not to say things…so sometimes that works well for me and sometimes still it doesn’t work so well so that’s still a skill that I’m cultivating. Trying to build…seems like the older I get, the little bit more easier it is.

That has a lot of power behind it cause it wasn’t just my mother…the whole Korman family, that’s their trait! But the more I practice meditation, the more I practice mindful compassion…the easier it is.

M: So before you had kids, did you know that those were things…criteria you wanted…or was it more like when you had kids, you realized ‘oh gosh, what kind of parent do I want to be?’ 

A: I think the only thing I knew before I had kids was ‘I don’t want to do it the same way’ but I didn’t know how many of the old patterns would get triggered just by having kids. so early on it was issues about having a temper and setting boundaries. Like, being able to set clear boundaries and give a clear no but not be angry about it; that was a real challenge when you were a toddler. So there were different challenges along the way cause none of that was modeled well for me. I just knew I didn’t want to be the same kind of parent but I had no idea how much children would churn up the same stuff.

M: Did you recognize it as that stuff right away? 

A: Pretty much. Pretty much started going back to therapy when you were two years old *laughs* I didn’t recognize it so much when you were an infant…but I probably wanted to hold on too close then.

M: Did you think all this work would take as long as it did? 

A: No *laughs* But I have learnt to appreciate that we are always a work in progress, age has nothing to do with it and thats the beauty of being a human being and being alive is the emotional work and the spiritual work never stops.

M: If you did’t have a family do you think you would have run into the same baggage?  

A: There probably would have been another gateway to something. So before I had a family, I had relationships with people and in those relationships there were patterns being repeated and I probably would have woken up to some of the same things…maybe not exactly the same things….

M: Who introduced you to meditation? 

A: You know, I think I first go introduced to meditation when I was in my 20s. So my first kind of spiritual foray of any kind was through Alanon and then I joined a group called JACs which was for Jewish recovering people and I went on a retreat and I think that was my first introduction to meditation. And then Shlomo Carlaback was a Jewish Mystic and did a weekend of Jewish Meditation in Boston which I was able to go to. And I remember going to a mindfulness retreat on newborn street and thinking how the hell am I supposed to sit here mindfully when there’s all that traffic noise outside?! So it isn’t until recently that I sort of picked up meditation in a more serious way.

She turned out to be a pretty great mother.

Facing the Fault Lines: Lila

When I asked my weekly Mah Jong group at the senior center if they would like to help me with a photo project, Lila eagerly volunteered herself despite her aversion to being photographed. Always bringing her charismatic whimsy to the table, I was honored to have the chance to get to know her more deeply beyond the carefree persona. It is such a gift to be allowed to open these vulnerable to one another.

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L: Well, I haven’t ever had any…health issues. But I can understand…my challenges have been all mental. I was born into a family that was totally dysfunctional…like 8 million, billion people. I think it manifested in really low self esteem and lack of confidence and that was something I didn’t even realize…and depression.

And I didn’t understand any of it.

M: Was that even something that was talked about much? 

L: No. In fact…I grew up in Spokane and there was a hospital in the suburbs of Spokane called Medical Lake. That’s where people went. It was full. And I understand that mostly it was just depression. You don’t even know what it is [back then]. There’s a stigma attached to it.

But I know I have had it since at least junior high. That’s when the really morose thoughts and all of that came to and it didn’t manifest until I was like, 42. I had been plotting my demise. I didn’t want to do it in any way that would traumatize any of my family. [foolish laughter] I didn’t want to have anyone cleaning up after me…I had a new car and didn’t want to do anything bad in the car so that I could donate it…thats always been part of me, my worrying about other people. [smiles and laughs again] I’m always the lowest one on the totem pole.

Throughout my life, I would have these horrible thoughts and be so upset…I’d call somebody wanting to talk to them about it and they’d go on: “Well, how are you doing?” You know, I didn’t want to just jump right in, so I’d ask how they’re doing and they’d immediately jump in like ‘oh, so and so’s done this to me’. [I’d think:] well, they don’t need my burden either, now do they? So I never bothered anybody with it.

Oh my word, when I was first married at 18, I went on birth control. This was in 1970. In those days, they didn’t have the billions of different recipes and formulas. They had a birth control pill. That sent me over the edge. I was just dark after that, and I realized there was something crazy about that. See, you got me started! I didn’t know…all of this stuff! [laughs]

M: It’s interesting what we hold. 

L: I know! I called 911 one night. I had drank like way, way a lot that night. But i called 911 for some reason and…in Packwood it’s so awesome. It was like 2 o’clock in the morning and everyone has police radios here. So everyone in town knew that the sherif came to get me.

M: Well, if you could never talk about it before…thats a way to get the word out!

L: I know! It was just like that! so I got there [to the station] and the first thing they did was check my thyroid and then they put me on this anti-depressant. I had no idea about depression. I mean, I just thought I was crazy. I didn’t realize I was depressed. And because of this depression, I would always get sleep like, every other night. For 30 years I remember being that way. There would be nights I don’t sleep at all. I had a whole night scene. There were friends that I could call at 3 in the morning. They were all kind of strange characters but they were good to talk to. But yes, they suffered from depression also.

Even in the beginning of that, what the hospital did was they prescribed a 30-day dose of these anti-depressants. Then I was supposed to connect with a psychiatrist and get counseling and then get the psychiatrist to continue to prescribe anti-depressants for me. The first thing I realized with anti-depressants was that I could sleep…and it was like I could see colors all of a sudden. it was crazy. But I still didn’t think I deserved…to spend that much money on medication. I also had this thing about “what do you mean I can’t handle this? I can handle this! I’ve been on my own since I was 16!”

M: So you felt like the medication was a crutch? 

Well, I felt like I could get off of it. I told myself: I get it now but I don’t deserve it and I’ll be alright. You hear this a lot from schizophrenics and bi-polars. You know that once you get all happy you just don’t think you need them anymore. But thats just not the way when theres a chemical imbalance like that. You have to keep on. So thats been a real interesting thing for me to live with.

M: Do you remember a moment when you made some conscious decision to relate to it differently? When it was kind of like ‘oh I’m wrapped up in all of this and its dragging me…when you learned how to identify it and then you had that choice of ‘okay, I know what it is so how am I going to deal with it?’

L: When I first went to a doctor here in Packwood, he just gave me a book and it had all these flowers in it. I said ‘you know, this doesn’t work. I’m not going through those flowers. I’m depressed.’ They would always say ‘why do you think you’re depressed?’ and my knee-jerk reaction would always go oh never mind. they don’t get it or I’m just being a baby. But when I was diagnosed and I realized there was something I could do about it…this nurse asked me that and I said ‘Well, cause every morning I wake up and I’m pissed off that I’m still alive. Because I look at people fluttering about doing anything and I just want to kill them.’ And I just went on and on and she goes ‘okay…okay…’

Oh, and I still have good friends that don’t get it. They don’t get depression. It’s a mental illness you know, a chemical imbalance. its not like i choose it. I’m sure it’s run in my family. I’m sure my mother was a depressed person, looking back. I mean, they’re still very dear friends but one of these friends I’ve had for over 30 years and I just recently had this big discussion. I said “I know you don’t get it. I know if I every bring up anything you just give me you just do that look…but its real and…”  and she said “you’re right and I don’t understand it”

And I have a dear friend who thinks I should be able to pray it away…

M: They confuse it as being like, in a down mood.

L: Some things happened to me after I was diagnosed that I had to face. There were good things and bad things and I’d wonder if I deserve it or don’t I deserve it. Those were the good things of course; of course I deserved the bad things that happened to me! But at one point finally, I just said ‘you know, its out there and I gotta stick up for people who are depressed. I just think its a much bigger thing than people get. And now I know I need my medication. I don’t really know when I’m totally off but my husband who I trust is really my temperature gauge. Like one summer, he was working in Wyoming. I was talking to him on the phone and I said something like ‘Oh honey, now that you’ve lived over there for these months and such, do you feel like you’re happier being alone and maybe you don’t need to come back and be with me?’ and he said ‘have you been taking your medication?’ It’s always like that. And I’d forget.

You have to remember and I just don’t and the longer you go the more it hurts and you suffer from it. He’s always been that way, the fact that I can trust him. Its not, if I say something goofy its not like ‘are you on et rag’ its not that kind of attack. he says ‘have you been taking your pills’ and he’s never been wrong. I haven’t. So I’m a poster child for anti depressant medication. I obviously am who I am and who knows what people think. You know, I don’t know how I come across.

M: did that change your self esteem? To own it? 

L: Something did. Because yeah, I think so. I think just your total outlook in general is better and I’m just so happy. I have this husband. We married in ’97 but we were dating at the end of ’95 and I didn’t think i deserved him for the longest time. How silly is that? Yeah, I think it made me stronger. I always stuck up for the underdog. From the time I was a little kid I was getting in trouble all the time for sticking up for people. but i never deemed myself deserving to stick up for myself and i do now. And I try not to hurt people’s feelings but I think that I don’t care…I don’t want to hurt people’s feelings, I care about that…unless its the only way to get the point across. You take a chance sometimes. If it’s someone you care for and they care for you, you can always work that out.

I think back on my childhood and teen years and different situations I was involved in that i didn’t try for like..cheerleading or school activities that I just didn’t even try out for cause i knew i wouldn’t get it…id just vote myself off. If ever a boy that I thought was just “so cool” would ask for my number or ask me to dance it would be like ‘whats going on?’ I was always very suspicious that there was some game and I just think if i could have had just that tiniest bit of  self esteem, I could have had so much more fun. In fact my 20 year class reunion…i hadn’t been on anti-depressants yet but i remember…you know, you’re 38 for your 20 year class reunion and I had a job that I had to mingle and schmooze and do all of that and i didn’t have a problem. I was excited to go back and see these kids I hadn’t seen…a lot of them in 20 years. And the second I got there, I turned back to being 16 years old. People would say ‘Well hi Lila, what have you been up to?’ and I would say ‘nothing.’ I mean you know, you haven’t seen me 20 years….

M: Its like muscle memory

L: Yeah, its crazy.

Do you have siblings? my own siblings kind of keep me a prisoner too. They can’t picture you anywhere but being your sister in this scenario and they don’t tend to want to give you credit. It’s not a mean-spirited thing. It’s just the way they see you. they don’t realize that when you aren’t there, you’re off taking care of yourself and seeing things that they don’t know about. But the second you’re back there, they stick you back between the same books on the shelf and think thats who you are.

I can be at a party and think of ways for my demise. It’s….you know, I don’t know…the things that just depression hits are your sense of hope. Thats the thing. that’s when you know. Everything is normal but there’s just no hope. And [it hits] your coping ability. You can’t cope. it’s just kind hard to describe.

M: Do you feel like because you’ve had to deal with this and struggle with it ongoing, that its…is there one particular thing you feel its really strengthened in you or given you positively that you can look at? 

L: Well, one thing is that I realize is that I just am who I am and I’m fine with it.

Thats the part. I’m fine with it.

Its interesting to me. I grew up as a fat kid and it’s something I realized as an adult that I never thought of before: people treat fat kids different than they do thin kids. Oh aren’t you cute, come and talk to me…it’s never the fat kid. And I never thought about that as a kid. I just knew I wasn’t gonna be the angel. I didn’t go to kindergarten but when I started in first grade i discovered teacheres dont like me. It was like “okay, I didn’t know that. But I’m new at this.” I was always in trouble. I didn’t do anything and didn’t really feel like i deserved it but I was used to it. My poor mother. thats probably why she was so depressed always dealing with moms that told her they didn’t want their children playing with me. Hey, I was creative. I had an imagination. But I never did anything mean spirited (well a couple things) but….I’m happy. So happy now in my life. I don’t know how much of that is based on a husband that I know loves me. but its hard to get through life where you have a relationship where you don’t love yourself enough. To have someone…you know, they married you…so they must love you….so I’m happy. It has changed my life, getting a hold of that. I know that i am going to be on anti-depressants always. I need them. It is as obvious as your outlook on life when you’re in this body. Its like everything is just clearer. you can see both sides more clearly instead of if I’m of, its towards the negative side. it’s not like people are disagreeing with what you’re saying. It’s like they’re disagreeing with what you’re saying because you are who you are…cause I’m fine with people disagreeing. I appreciate peoples opinions and I want to know. I want to see the whole picture. That’s how you learn both sides of it and how different everything is.

I’m happy. I hope that it doesn’t have anything to do with my husband.

M: Well you’re definitely one of the most joyful and charismatic people here. 

L:Well thank you. I’m going to take that as a compliment. I don’t have to get personally involved and I like characters; they’re fun. And to figure out the one that nobody likes, to figure out what makes them tick. thats always been fun. Ive enjoyed that since i was a kid too. but I would like to disown my siblings.

Facing the Fault Lines: Robert

I interviewd Robert near the end of February while working with him at the Presbyterian Thrift and Gift. Robert has always been quite the story teller to listen to and I’ve enjoyed reveling in his New Orleans accent as he’s shared stories of growing up on the Bayou, working on farms, hunting with Apache indians and weathering hurricanes. He was equally open to sharing his experiences with alcoholism and depression: 

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Robert: With the alcohol and stuff and drinking. That has been my biggest problem in life. Everything else, I could always work through, but till this day…I’ve been sober ten years and it still pops in my head that I can drink. And it has been several times I walk by that counter and see a bottle of crown royal and…its just…

Me: Can I ask you what you think the biggest thing you had to learn was, to get through your hardest time? Cause like, personally for me. I wanna do this project cause I’m going through a really hard time and when I hear you talk about such a big, sweeping event or issue that you had to address in your life and think of all of the big external pressures against you that are probably there…what ultimately did you learn? 

R: First thing, I couldn’t figure out why I couldn’t quit drinking. Finally, I went to a doctor and he said ‘The problem you got, I cant address. See you need to talk to a psychiatrist. you got something going on up there and you’re using alcohol to neutralize it.’

It was a struggle the first three years of getting my medicine all stable. But last summer, when I dropped into that depression, it was the hardest thing for me to get up and just say ‘Hey, I got a problem. I’m depressed.’ But by me finally realizing that the only way its gonna get any better is by gett’n back out here round my friends – these people that know me – and tell em the truth, everything that went on. And I did that. I did that in front of the church and it’s helped. Im still struggling with depression but it really helps. Just getting back out and talkin’ and bein’ honest..

M: Is that the first time you’ve ever had to put yourself out there like that? 

R: Yeah, thats the first time I’ve ever had to do that. Well, I did that in a room full of alcoholics, you know. I told em about my alcohol problems cause we didn’t talk about anything else. But that’s the first time I’ve had to admit. it was so hard for me to admit that there was somethin’ goin’ on upstairs that wasn’t quite right. Cause the way I grew up, that was somethin’ just wasn’t mentioned back in those days……… That woulda been the hardest thing I’ve ever really did in my life, was standin’ up at that church and telllin’ em what had been goin on with me. Cause they all called, people called and asked and asked around where I was. I said, I’m fine I’m fine. In reality, I was sittin’ watchin’ Tv. Windows closed.

M: There’s a sense of freedom almost, when you can bring yourself to that vulnerable level and still realize its okay. You don’t have to have these dual lives.

R: It’s just …there’s nothin’ to be ashamed of. It’s a disease. I was born with it. And for a long time, I’d get my adrenaline rush from working, building bridges. I loved livin’ out on the edge. I love makin’ that drag line reach out five foot farther than it should reach or doin’ something else to get that. and I loved pushin’ that sucker just a lil’ bit farther. We would make it and I never had anything happen. So ya know, when I got hit in the head with a piece of concrete, it was hard to accept the fact that I’d never be able to get out there and be safely…not have a problem. It was hard for me and its still hard sometime to not know when I’m goin’ to work n’ doin’ that type of work.

M:I mean, cause you define yourself that way

R: Yeah. I’d pull up on a job site and they’d be havin’ trouble hangin’ steel and it make you feel good ya know, egotistic when especially all like ‘Oh, Robert’s here, he’ll get it done.’…it was part of my ego. And most people have an ego. With alcohol, you have a tendency to have a double ego [laughs].

M: Do you think you’ve learned a lot how to let go of the ego through all of this?

R: Yeah. Living here in this little town, boy. When I was retired n just around the house, it about drove me nuts. Ginger would stay tryin’ to fix me and there was no fixin’. She couldn’t fix me. I had to fix myself. And when I went to that doctor finally she told me ‘all you doin’ with the alcohol is makin’ it worse. One point in your life when you were younger and the illness wasn’t as strong, your alcohol and pot smokin’ would balance you out. But now you more …it don’t work. Medication. We get you on medication. And off the alcohol.’

When I started trying to quit alcohol. Boy. I though It’d be easy but by darn it was hard. It was hard to do. But bein’ up here has just, bein’ at church and bein’ a deacon and working in here…now there were some times, when I was a manager…I learned patience. A lot of patience. I know when I was on the job site when I was workin’, I had three full blooded Cajuns that stayed with me all the time…if they made me mad, I’d holler at them….I told em how it was. I get mad and I get cussin’. When I came [to the thrist store] and started managing I realized ‘ I can’t talk to these women this way. I got to work out somethin’…a different way of addressing the problems that’s comin’ up.’ And I finally did. I figured out: just come in simple, plain, quiet, peacefully….and everything ran smoothly.

But the biggest challenge I recon……..is gettin’ up in there in that church and standing up in that church and saying ‘hey, you all know I’m a drug addict. You all know I’m an alcoholic.’ I told everyone freely since I been up here. Cause I feel if I can tell one person…If I can help one person, it makes me feel good. But standin’ and throwing it all out there saying ‘I got depressed and I over-spent and I hadn’t paid no attention to my checkin’ acount, I hadn’t looked in my checking account in over three months and I had over spent and I was flat- broke.’ That was tough. And its been a tough two or three months just getting back up on my feet and straightened back out. I finally got work and my statements start comin’ in and I’m balancing my checkbook……it felt like I had knots in my stomach when I walked up there.

M: Do you ever think: I wish I didn’t have this diagnosis or I wish I wasn’t an alcoholic or do you think that you wouldn’t have figured out the things you have without those? 

R: No, you know it’s not something…I regret some of the things I did because I was drinking but because I was drinking I did some things that I think made me a stronger person. Just , the first thing was just admitting to anybody that I might have a drinking problem. I was a heavy drinker but I wasn’t no alcoholic. cause I always though an alcoholic was the one lyin’ on the street corner. I worked a job, the same job for 30 years. And I would drink during the day while on the job but I would still make the company money….It was harder for me to accept it more than it was for everybody else when I finally told everybody and started going to meetings and stuff.

There was an old man. He come up to me one afternoon after a meetin’ and told me. he said: ‘Boy, you know what you doin’ ? I said ‘whats that?’ ‘Boy you got one yesterday and one tomorrow and you pissin’ all over it. You’re a dumb ass.’ I wanted to hit that old man. So the next afternoon he came to the house. and told me ‘Boy make me a cup of coffee.’ So I made him a cup of coffee and I turn a round and he had a half pint of whisky, never been opened, sittin’ on the middle of the table and he tell me  ‘you want a drink?’ I’m about dyin, I wanted a drink so bad. but [I said no] just to spite him. And he did that for about 40-50 days every day and it got easier.

Facing the Fault Lines: A photo project

I’ve been sitting on this project for a couple of weeks now. Actually, I’ve been sitting on this blog. After some fleeting feelings of progress, I recently returned to a floundering state of mild distress. I think I have a streak of addictive traits in me because its very easy for me to introduce something and let it quickly become a habit. In this case, I had been excited to finally add in more honey and fruits, kombucha, nut butters and some other complex items which were then becoming a part of my daily routine. This didn’t last long before I had my first day of discomfort return and have since been struggling to find a balance that will once again relieve the cramping and constant full feeling.

Needless to say, I’ve been feeling a bit defeated and demotivated from keeping up with this blog.

But I’ve finally decided to unveil my first post to this project because it is, after all, about facing the realities and staying motivated against the odds.

My digestive dis-ease has, without a doubt, been the biggest burden that I have come to endure in my life. To some, that may sound petty. But to those that have struggled with similar dis-ease, you know exactly how invasive the issue can be, bleeding into all other aspects of life and livelihood. It has always been my nature to have a vested interest in others’ life stories but this journey of mine has made me develop a whole new level of curiosity. I am frequently reminded of the nobel truth of Buddhist philosophy: Life is Dukkha, or ‘Life is conditional/suffering/impermanent/imperfect.’ Essentially, Buddhism recognizes that it is the nature of our lives to experience unsettlement and discontent. Yet Buddhism also recognizes the impermanence of this state and more importantly, how one’s relationship to this reality will ultimately shape the reality. I am determined to believe that I will not be in this position forever, but some days it feels like it. It is on those days especially, that I try to remind myself of the buddhist wisdom. I realize that I am not alone in my struggle. We are all dished a considerable challenge or burden in our lifetimes. As I have been navigating my own choices on how to address my burden, I’ve sought to explore how others have tuned into their inner wisdom to shape meaning out of these moments.

And so I began interviewing others about their biggest burden or struggle and how it has been a lesson or a blessing in disguise.

When I was thinking of a title for the project, fault lines seemed like a suitable analogy. Like our planet, constructed of shifting, fractured inconsistencies in it’s foundation, our lives are constantly seeking to reshape from the tumult of our own “fault lines” that stir up personal quakes and shakes.

I will be posting individual entries for the project as I complete interviews, so stay tuned for posts tagged with the project title.